tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post5832796844863540314..comments2023-10-22T04:57:07.468-04:00Comments on <center>WHAT FRESH HELL IS THIS?</center><center> (J.D. Rhoades' Blog)</center>: Betrayed By the Obama in Your HeadJD Rhoadeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07123361739160525998noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-62625262514802041732009-12-04T10:32:43.717-05:002009-12-04T10:32:43.717-05:00I'm split on this. More troops and helicopter...I'm split on this. More troops and helicopters are needed to get anything done. But, what is the goal at the end of that 18 months. And will the Taliban and AQ just lay low until the draw down?<br /><br />Afghanistan is a huge and varied country. How do you help the government pull it together into a cohesive whole?Gerard Saylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00289822422163685990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-842083464129001062009-12-02T23:50:51.236-05:002009-12-02T23:50:51.236-05:00JPH62, no, of course not (and I'm Canadian, it...JPH62, no, of course not (and I'm Canadian, it could be my son, we've had troops in Afghanistan for years).<br /><br />My phrasing may have been a little flippant, but equal rights for all individuals isn't a small thing and has a huge (maybe the biggest) effect on societies. <br /><br />What I was really saying was that victory will be when Afghanistan is no longer a threat, when it's a "normal" democratic country, when all the citizens have individual rights and there's the proper rule of law.<br /><br />And I know what a difficult task that is.John McFetridgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442198820998606682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-10389733148919803232009-12-02T22:58:32.845-05:002009-12-02T22:58:32.845-05:00John McFetridge, Do you seriously want somebody...John McFetridge, Do you seriously want somebody's son to come home with a huge dent in his head so that Afghan women will have the same rights as Afghan men?<br />Are you nuts?<br /><br />JPH62jph62https://www.blogger.com/profile/14225025082306107227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-24170295391813585672009-12-02T15:32:19.932-05:002009-12-02T15:32:19.932-05:00Victory will be when women in Afghanistan have the...Victory will be when women in Afghanistan have the same rights as men.John McFetridgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442198820998606682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-72648689682395848192009-12-01T16:44:40.717-05:002009-12-01T16:44:40.717-05:00Yeah, talk of finishing the job reminds me of Bush...Yeah, talk of finishing the job reminds me of Bush talking about victory. What is the job? And what would constitute victory?<br />==============<br /> Detectives Beyond Borders<br />"Because Murder Is More Fun Away From Home"<br /> <a href="http://www.detectivesbeyondborders.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://detectivesbeyondborders.blogspot.com/</a>Peter Rozovskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977933481463759162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-63115483276246994192009-12-01T16:19:22.956-05:002009-12-01T16:19:22.956-05:00Thanks, JD. I remember Obama saying exactly that d...Thanks, JD. I remember Obama saying exactly that during the campaign. I'm more concerned, as you are, with what exactly those extra troops are going to go. What's the plan? Throwing bodies at the situation isn't going to help. (Grim pun intended.)<br /><br />I saw a quote last week about "finish[ing] the job." Sounded so much like what we heard during Vietnam that my skin crawled.<br /><br />(My Word Verification is "unkil." Creepy.)Dana Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01350344882342624735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-2143074691600652132009-12-01T16:09:44.363-05:002009-12-01T16:09:44.363-05:00Do people still take Michael Moore seriously?
====...Do people still take Michael Moore seriously?<br />==============<br /> Detectives Beyond Borders<br />"Because Murder Is More Fun Away From Home"<br /> <a href="http://www.detectivesbeyondborders.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://detectivesbeyondborders.blogspot.com/</a>Peter Rozovskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977933481463759162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-35395818644979365352009-12-01T16:08:17.367-05:002009-12-01T16:08:17.367-05:00Thank you, J.D., for this post. Sadly, I think tha...Thank you, J.D., for this post. Sadly, I think that there is a large segment of 'the left' that was poised to be 'disappointed' in Obama no matter what he did; it's no surprise to me that those people are now shocked that their imaginary Batman has left the building.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-56933077892633846102009-12-01T15:00:01.818-05:002009-12-01T15:00:01.818-05:00The problem, of course, is HOW do you win in Afgha...The problem, of course, is HOW do you win in Afghanistan. IIRC, there have been attempts over the last 1000 or more years, but no success stories. I am all in favor of clearing out all nests of vipers, but at what cost? Would it require scorching and salting the earth? How can they deal with the caves? I hope someone has the answers.Pogoniphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13709933044742248869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-61099545520735192212009-12-01T14:55:59.520-05:002009-12-01T14:55:59.520-05:00Andi, I'd love to live in that world, too. Bu...Andi, I'd love to live in that world, too. But we don't. And in that world we have to at least try and clean out the safe havens where the people who actually attacked us live. And we need to be leaning heavily on Pakistan to do the same.JD Rhoadeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07123361739160525998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-41489084609538389232009-12-01T14:38:29.552-05:002009-12-01T14:38:29.552-05:00Thanks. I had some concerns that I was remembering...Thanks. I had some concerns that I was remembering an alternate universe so the quotes really help. I had remembered from the start that Obama's concern was that we'd gone into Afghanistan and then abandoned it as "problem solved" so we could go "liberate" Iraq. As, er, um, was mine, despite an almost lifelong concern about US military intervention. The day the Taliban destroyed the statues was the day I knew the country was lost unless someone did something. Sounds naive? I bet it does but that was the mark for me that the people in that country - esp the women - were in need of help. But HEY! We went, we saw, we left. <br />I really would love it most of all if we could withdraw all our troops. I'm a pacifist. I live in a dream world too, one where the military isn't needed. But your reality check about what this President IS, what he SAID, what is REAL is truly valuable.Andihttp://www.journalscape.com/hedgehognoreply@blogger.com