tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post6345357855553479955..comments2023-10-22T04:57:07.468-04:00Comments on <center>WHAT FRESH HELL IS THIS?</center><center> (J.D. Rhoades' Blog)</center>: When America Tortures, the Terrorists WinJD Rhoadeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07123361739160525998noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-32059036073668083842011-10-04T19:23:23.871-04:002011-10-04T19:23:23.871-04:00See one of the links at the bottom for the real fb...See one of the links at the bottom for the real fbi story today; note that the fbi infiltrates political groups to control investigations & to avoid accountability for their crimes in this case:<br />http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/thisiswhy.html<br /><br />Here are the alternate links to the same report:<br /><br />http://barbarahartwellvscia.blogspot.com/2011/10/courts-and-fbi-torture-maim-or-kill_01.html<br /> <br /><br /> http://www.ucimc.org/content/courts-fbi-torture-mame-or-kill-wrongly-accused<br /> <br /> http://lombardia.indymedia.org/taxonomy/term/30<br /><br /><br />http://www.raisethefist.com/?fbi__and__courts_torture%2C_mame_or_kill_wrongly_accused_%3A_LA_IMC-44GERAL SOSBEEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13230673710418299586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-57902354735665450122011-10-04T19:22:53.124-04:002011-10-04T19:22:53.124-04:00See one of the links at the bottom for the real fb...See one of the links at the bottom for the real fbi story today; note that the fbi infiltrates political groups to control investigations & to avoid accountability for their crimes in this case:<br />http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/thisiswhy.html<br /><br />Here are the alternate links to the same report:<br /><br />http://barbarahartwellvscia.blogspot.com/2011/10/courts-and-fbi-torture-maim-or-kill_01.html<br /> <br /><br /> http://www.ucimc.org/content/courts-fbi-torture-mame-or-kill-wrongly-accused<br /> <br /> http://lombardia.indymedia.org/taxonomy/term/30<br /><br /><br />http://www.raisethefist.com/?fbi__and__courts_torture%2C_mame_or_kill_wrongly_accused_%3A_LA_IMC-44GERAL SOSBEEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13230673710418299586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-71207346984523795002009-05-19T20:20:41.007-04:002009-05-19T20:20:41.007-04:00Long hair. Sorry if I offended. But just in case...Long hair. Sorry if I offended. But just in case you haven't read the article in Fortune, see the teaser below. Essentially, it's what the Democrats (not the Republicans) are doing for all of us (middle and lower incomes) vs. them (the rich). From Fortune:<br /><br />Imagine if you were not really in the market for a house but the government came along and said that it would finance 94% of a home's purchase price with a mortgage rate of less than 3%.<br /><br />Still not interested? Wait, Uncle Sam has some additional sweeteners: if you do the deal and buy the house for only 6% down, you also get the equivalent of rental income every month to the tune of at least an annualized yield of 10% of the purchase price. <br /><br />But wait there's still more: if, say, after two years, you decide you don't want the house any longer, you can just walk away from it. No need to pay the balance of the mortgage (it won't affect your credit rating), and you can keep the rental income received to date.<br /><br />That's essentially the deal that Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has offered qualified professional investors who participate in the so-called TALF (Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility). Two months into the program as the first TALF- backed deals hit the market, you can see why the likes of hedge fund Fortress Investment Group are drooling over it. "I'm a big believer in the impact that TALF can and should have," Fortress CEO Wes Edens said on a May 6 investor call, adding that he expects that Fortress will be "a big participant" in the TALF program "three to six months from now."<br /><br />Read the rest of the article and it'll pretty much make you sick (unless you're an investor). TOTAL PROTECTION FOR INVESTORS. ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL.<br /><br />The point being, there's no "change" because there's essentially no "difference" between the parties. And so long as so-called liberals claim they agree with Ralph Nader but can't vote for him ... well, we get Bush-Light (in the Obama form).charlie stellahttp://www.charliestella.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-88146173218390984112009-05-19T20:05:51.893-04:002009-05-19T20:05:51.893-04:00I should've guessed this one flew past your mullet...I should've guessed this one flew past your mullet, long hair ... but you make the decision. I'm too tired tonight.<br /><br />Did you catch any of the Geithner's gift to wall street news yesterday? It has to do with his championing their right to unregulated executive compensation (because, you know, they did such a great job in the past the gov't shouldn't hinder their ability to operate). I would've sworn that was a Republican ideal ... but what do I know?<br /><br />Not you, that's for sure.<br /><br />I must be lying.charlie stellahttp://www.charliestella.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-44825533726985249962009-05-19T17:17:27.880-04:002009-05-19T17:17:27.880-04:00Charlie:
Don't be sorry for me, brother. You're th...Charlie:<br /><I>Don't be sorry for me, brother. You're the one pursuing change with blind faith ... just don't be surprised when you run into that tree.</I>Okay, here's the thing, Charlie.<br /><br />Are you lying, deliberately? <br /><br />I mean, you don't know me, but you're making statements that assume knowledge of me.<br /><br />So, are you just deliberately making up whatever bullshit comes to mind?<br /><br />Or do you just not know better?LongHairedWeirdohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00719702522755422229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-55554654880308157022009-05-18T14:18:00.000-04:002009-05-18T14:18:00.000-04:00Meatball (long hair), I was agreeing with you abou...Meatball (long hair), I was agreeing with you about torture, but you can't make a blanket generalization about why people were for it (regarding their principles especially). <br /><br />Don't be sorry for me, brother. You're the one pursuing change with blind faith ... just don't be surprised when you run into that tree.charlie stellahttp://www.charliestella.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-26274199822493472242009-05-17T23:30:00.000-04:002009-05-17T23:30:00.000-04:00Charlie:
I'm really sorry the world doesn't work ...Charlie:<br /><br />I'm really sorry the world doesn't work the way you want it to.<br /><br />But torture is still wrong. And I don't care *why* there's a slowly growing chance for prosecuting those responsible for torture, so long as the prosecutions are fair and just.LongHairedWeirdohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00719702522755422229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-44971950894152545352009-05-17T19:07:00.000-04:002009-05-17T19:07:00.000-04:00Long Hair: Immediately after 9-11 I would've been...Long Hair: Immediately after 9-11 I would've been in favor for televised torture and trust me, I have principles. <br /><br />Phil Donahue nailed it on some talk show immediately following 9-11 when he said we (America) was just dying to go out and punch somebody in the face. We were.<br /><br />At that time I could care less whether torture was effective or not. I've come to change my mind (on quite a few things regarding 9-11 and its aftermath), but the arguments against torture made sense.<br /><br />So, for me, it wasn't abandoned principles or fear. It was anger. It was an emotional response to an emotional issue.<br /><br />Since the Iraq debacle, I've grown an equal amount of anger for those who lied us into a war (and those who signed onto it without bothering to read the reports--like our Secretary of State). Instead of all the useless ranting about a now dead issue, it'd be nice to see those in power to do something about ANYTHING actually DO SOMETHING.<br /><br />But they didn't go after those who lied us into a war since they first had the chance (the majority) in 2006 or since.<br /><br />Now they're using the "torture" issue like a quarterback uses a dummy call and it seems at least the democratic party faithful are falling for it hook, line and sinker.<br /><br />I mean look at what happened on the economic front last week. Look at what the Democratic Congress and Senate did for banks and Wall Street. Look at how they repudiated single payer health insurance (by having those supporting it arrested at a Congressional hearing). Look at the latest record setting unemployment figure.<br /><br />Or just have a strong cup of coffee.<br /><br />The Jesse Ventura quote is great.Charlie Stellahttp://www.charliestella.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-13764171532629133862009-05-17T16:28:00.000-04:002009-05-17T16:28:00.000-04:00Amen.
It's true that torture will get someone to...Amen. <br /><br />It's true that torture will get someone to "talk". But what too-damned-many people seem to have lost the brains to recognize is that a false lead is worse than the absence of a true lead. <br /><br />What's the one thing almost everyone agrees is impossible as a generality? <br /><br />Proving a negative. If you have bad information, determining that it's bad is nearly impossible. It can lead you down false trails and hide the truth from you for... well, forever.<br /><br />While it's scary to have to try to piece together a puzzle without enough information, we *do* that... we do that frightfully often. But to do that, we need *facts*. And any false lead pollutes our ability to find those facts. <br /><br />Oh, one other thing that I think needs to be broadcast far and loud about this debate...<br /><br />No, "we" all didn't want torture after 9/11. "We" weren't all so scared of what might happen next that we accepted the idea.<br /><br />You, me, and a whole bunch of other folks, rejected the idea of torture from the getgo.<br /><br />It's true, whole bunch of folks were scared enough to abandon their principles (well, assuming they had principles in the first place). And that means it's time for them to come clean, admit that they fucked up because they were scared, and help other people not make the same mistake in the future.LongHairedWeirdohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00719702522755422229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13172818.post-33386516194623399182009-05-16T22:27:00.000-04:002009-05-16T22:27:00.000-04:00Amen to that. Have to repeat my favorite quote of...Amen to that. Have to repeat my favorite quote of the week, from Jessie Ventura, former wrester, governor and Navy SEAL, from a Larry King interview:<br /><br />Jesse Ventura: .. I was waterboarded [in training] so I know... It is torture...I'll put it to you this way: You give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.Kathy Sweeneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14439136237512763874noreply@blogger.com